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Post by prossett » 27 Nov 2007, 11:45 am

Yeah, after that experience he now can reach 0-100kph in 3.4 seconds, barefoot!!!! :D

Buddy, just kidding, man! No kid got their head stuck in the intake, we were just joking... if the intake was routed to the glove-box, and if every Patrol and Cruiser started doing that, then, perhaps, we might have a kid's head stuck in there if the little guy was not strapped into his seat as should be... it was a joke, man.

But we still get plenty of kids standing up at the dash while Daddy drives around town - and that's not funny. :arrow:

Want to explain more how to get the temperatures so low into the air intake? Anything even close to the temps you were mentioning (-1C ~ -10C!) is a miracle of engineering!!! I mean, that's where water droplets turn into ice, man! Interesting discussion, bud! 8)

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Post by SalV6 » 27 Nov 2007, 12:36 pm

^^

ohhhh lol , i probably miss understood your convo about the kid.


Yea, getting temperatures to 2 degrees even -1 is not possible with the stuff you have lying around, we were about 6 people who invented this, one is a shcematic engineer, the other is a computer programmer, i was the guy with the idea, what i wanted and designed it, the other 2 specialise in aircraft engineering, they dwell on finding better air flow designs for aeroplane wings so they helped me too. and the last one was the software developer.

together we designed this intake to function properlly.

the cold air that is blown into the cone filter is done from the inside

#1 because the ouside temperature heats any cold air as fast as it can, so by having this cold ice dry sprayed inside the intake works like a NOS system, direct injection.

#2 makes sense to get this kind of cold as close to the TB as possible.

the AC module that i discussed so simply is complecated, the sofware programmer and computer programmer guys used a laptop and created what we called unofficially, DIFICS, (dry ice forced injection control system) and prammed an ECU with the software, and had that connected to the AC, which ment you could use your ac like normal, but you would install an extra switch which you would flick for on or off when using the forced intake system we developed.

after we used steel sheets for boxing in the cone filter and the (ARV) AIR RAM VENT we later used carbon fiber, wich was much better, lighter, looked more better, heated way less, was stronger, made almost no rattle sound from the air flapping against the vents, this also meant not rust.

we also had what we called (UEF) ultra efficient Fins, these are embeded inside several places in the process of the (SARFII) Short Air Ram Forced Injection Intake, these are designed in such a way and at certain angles that when air hits them from one side they would start spining, and we added sorts of coils in them that they kept spining faster and faster to a certain limit, the air which passed through was funeled like a turnado, so the air is going at a concentrated V-point.

Soon after this same air is sprayed with dry ice, well its a less concentrated level of it, this is not actual dry ice but really hard condenced air that is produced by the AC compressor, we basically turboed the process. And yess it does use more engine power, that took a whole lot of computer maths to figure out for the guys, till we got results that were really good, we got 19whp for 2 degrees and 23whp for -1 degree.

We expect to get about 29whp with -10, not a big difference, because then more engine hp get used to produce the denser colder air.

only problem we are facing is that with much colder temps like -1, and colder, the engine use's more fuel than a same car with Intake,headers,full exhaust.

so now its time to work on a software to manage the fuel ratio for cars that buy this kit, what will happen is that the software will be programmed in co-op with the DIFICS so, every time a guy swites on the DIFICS same time the fuel management system reduces the fuel you use with the ammount of FI, this will rob the car off some hp but it will save the owner gas, we will keep both options, because for turbo cars we won't be able to deprive the car for gas.

And yea, lol, i won't go into detail this is our invention, we don't have to worry because its patented, but still.

Took us 5 years to develope and still working on it.

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Post by prossett » 27 Nov 2007, 2:59 pm

Excellent stuff! 8) I'm sure a lot of members here are all for helping develop automotive innovations, so if you need any help testing, developing, marketing, or dang! I'll even pack them into cardboard boxes for you!!! :D just holler, buddy, and you'll have the whole club at your side!

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Post by Sparky » 27 Nov 2007, 4:48 pm

prossett wrote: ROFL!! :D and kids getting their heads sucked into the glove box...

"What happened to our son's hair, habibi?"
"Yani, he got his head sucked into the engine at Bidayer... but he'll be OK."
hahahaha! that conversation's actually not too hard to imagine here.

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Post by Tamu » 27 Nov 2007, 7:46 pm

very interesting information there guys....hmmmm...i guess i got nothing more to say

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Post by usaf23 » 27 Nov 2007, 11:48 pm

i guess we shall close the topic here..
ive got my ideas thanks to al..wil inform you people when i get my mods done :)

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Post by Tamu » 28 Nov 2007, 1:04 am

no why should we lock this topic like every other good topic in this forum.... :P ....

the topic is air filters soo we can talk as much about air filters as we want..hahahahahaha...

no but seriously there is nothing more to talk about actually..unless someone wants to add the intake inside there dashboard :P ..it would be a good project :P

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Post by SalV6 » 28 Nov 2007, 2:20 am

prossett wrote:Excellent stuff! 8) I'm sure a lot of members here are all for helping develop automotive innovations, so if you need any help testing, developing, marketing, or dang! I'll even pack them into cardboard boxes for you!!! :D just holler, buddy, and you'll have the whole club at your side!

ohh thanks bro, that is awsome, i feel really confident in you guys.

Well i think you guys will get a chance to be part of it, because i plan to finish this product, in Dubai, i have 3 years left for my degree, so im putting the project on hold, as my friends also need to study for their programs, we decided to continue the prject after our graduation, im thinking we will test phase 2 in dubai, because we are almost done with the cold side of the project, we will need to see how the system works in really hot temperatures in like lets say the desert. Im sure the temperature will become warmer in our DIFI system, but we'll see then for now, we are relaxing.hehehe


Man locking a thread is not cool, because if someone gets a great idea they want to share this thread will be locked.

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Post by prossett » 28 Nov 2007, 7:47 am

No locking, guys - I think he meant close the discussion because he's got all the info he was hoping for... 8)

Actually, I do have something to add. I've always been worried about the high-flow filter sucking in dust and micro-particles into my engine.

Some people say it's fine, some people say the bad stuff does get in... :? What do you guys think?

I make sure I service it properly and check the inside of the intake tube to see if any fine stuff is getting in - when it dries up I use the K&N cleaning kit and oil.

BTW, does anyone know what is the red oil that K&N kits contain, you know, the red liquid that you spray on after cleaning it?

It sure looks like automatic tranny fluid to me...

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Post by Tamu » 28 Nov 2007, 9:37 am

prosset i think the K&N cleaning kit is BS!!..iv tried it and i think your just better of washing the intake, letting it dry and then use a high pressure blowing thingy to take out all the dust..maybe then spray on some fluid..i could be wrong though..most of you might be comfortable with the K&N kit...do you notice a significant difference after cleaning it with the kit???

as for the dust particles..i guess if you are using a branded intake and not the fake simota stuff then you dont have to worry..they are all designed and tested so these dust particles and debri dont get in ur engine bay...even if it does get in the engine, the oil you use should do a good job to clean it out...
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Post by prossett » 28 Nov 2007, 10:33 am

Ladies??? :| :D ROFL Hey, I'm the kind of guy that when I open my door to leave the house, the goats start trembling! LOOOOOOL

Al Ain is a little bit on the outside of the real world, in case you don't know; kind of on the edge of the desert, nestled between the Omani mountains... lots of goats.... you get the idea... :D Actually, best place in the world for me and my family! 8)

This is what I look like on a good day! :wink:

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Kidding aside - I agree with the cleaning (but not the high-pressure air, I'm worried it will tear) - which fluid do you use to oil the filter? The K&N stuff they provide in the kit?

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Post by SalV6 » 28 Nov 2007, 11:36 am

yes the k&N kit does work, what it does is that it evapourates the dust particle off the intake and deep inside it, water is good, but in hot countries it can wrinkle your cone filter faster, there many levels of filtering in a filter, water is heavy and traps inside, it can cause rinkles to some of the materials.

As for avoiding dust, the best is FOAM filters, they are better than mesh filters but mesh filters breate more openly. Foam filters are almost like spounge, nothing can get past it, but they get dirty faster, but are easy to wash even with water.

If you are concerned too much about your engine buy a foam filter, from Fram.

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Post by Tamu » 28 Nov 2007, 7:34 pm

are you serious air pressure causes tearing????...hmm that never happened with me though...

as for the water shrinking the intake from the heat, that is very true...1nce i through out 3intakes in a month bcoz they all shrunk and looked retarded...

maybe i should re-consider the K&N cleaning kit...it should be good, from what salv6 said :D

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Post by prossett » 28 Nov 2007, 8:17 pm

Yeah, and I'm going to try go for the foam filter... you know, that's the beauty of belonging to a club; no matter how much you know, or think you know, there's always something new to learn! 8)

As for compressed air - yeah, it depends on how many psi it's set to push out, but it can cause damage on all sorts of things if concentrated on one spot. That's why they move it around when they blow an air filter.

Water will damage a paper filter, but not the wire mesh/pressed cotton gauze kind like the K&N. Again, no using high pressure. One thing is to make sure it completely dries before putting it back on, because if you run it wet, the engine will crumple it.

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Post by Sparky » 29 Nov 2007, 1:54 am

prossett wrote:
I make sure I service it properly and check the inside of the intake tube to see if any fine stuff is getting in - when it dries up I use the K&N cleaning kit and oil.

BTW, does anyone know what is the red oil that K&N kits contain, you know, the red liquid that you spray on after cleaning it?

It sure looks like automatic tranny fluid to me...
That's exactly it. I check the inside of my piping too, and so far so good. I've been 55,000 kms with a CAI already.

And if that K&N stuff turns out to be Tranny oil then let me know. I haven't ever oiled my filter, i just blow at it to get rid of the dust. Some people actually use engine oil instead of the K&N stuff, dunno if that's good though.

Anyone know where i can get the K&N filtercharger/cleaning kit here?



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